Muslim Holy Book (Koran?, Quran?) Teachings Incompatible With Democracy
Entered July 4, 2008 by Ken Wear

Since Islam insists that religion must dictate the form and substance of government, can Christianity, or any other religion, co-exist peaceably with Islam (the Muslim religion)? Note especially the concluding paragraph.

I had an e-mail exchange with a man whose job is to speak publicly in an effort to improve relations between Christians and Muslims. We had had an earlier exchange regarding a historically questionable statement in my web page http://www.rationallink.org/religextr.htm (third paragraph -- now corrected). I quote below the actual contents of those e-mails in full since a summary is not nearly as persuasive as the actual exchange. In chronological order:


To Sabeel Ahmed from Ken Wear, 4-04-2007

Some months ago we had a brief exchange regarding my careless portrayal of history in presenting Islam at my web site. I corrected that to make it, I think, consistent with history. I had hoped we could continue exchanges in an effort at mutual understanding since I feel that fundamentalists in both the Christian and Muslim camps must alter their strategies in order to avoid a devastating conflict. As I understand, throughout pre-history and history religions have come and gone; in order to survive they must remain relevant; it is a matter of adapt or perish.

For whatever reason, you included me in your response to David Schroeder about "Jesus: Creator or Creation." And that has reminded me of our earlier exchanges and my hope for continuation.

From Ken Wear. Visit his web site at http://www.rationallink.org


----- Original Message ----- From: sabeel ahmed
To: David Schroeder ; tturne2@luc.edu ; mshaazu@yahoo.com ; aq_sheikh@hotmail.com ; nkhan5@luc.edu ; fatherjonathan@foxnews.com
Cc: sabeel ahmed
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: Response to "Jesus: Creator or Creation"

Dear David and Friends,

Peace be upon all the believers of one God!

First of all, thanks for coming to my presentation on: Jesus: Creator or creation?. I enjoyed our interaction that day.

I am attaching my response to your article. I request if you can also print, in the Loyola University newspaper, my response along with yours. It will assist the reads in evaluating both viewpoints and deciding for the better, God willing. Thanks again for giving me the opportunity to present my response to you article. Can you be kind enough to send the final contents before it goes to the press?

It will be my pleasure to continue such interactions with mine and your group in the future.

Thanks, and Regards.

Sabeel Ahmed, 1-877-WHY-ISLAM for a free copy of Quran Translation, sabeeldawah@yahoo.com


----- Original Message ---- From: David Schroeder
To: tturne2@luc.edu; mshaazu@yahoo.com; aq_sheikh@hotmail.com; nkhan5@luc.edu; sabeeldawah@yahoo.com; fatherjonathan@foxnews.com
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 12:47:56 AM
Subject: Response to "Jesus: Creator or Creation"

Dear Friends,

I have attached above my response to "Jesus: Creator or Creation" to be published in Veritas. I am eager to hear your response. If you are quick enough, your insight might enable me to adapte the article and make changes before it is published? Thanks for taking the time to engage in this dialogue with me!

God bless you, David Schroeder

P.S. I had trouble downloading the file as an attachment. Did it open ok?


From Sabeel Ahmed to Ken Wear dated 4-5-2007
Dear Ken,

Nice to hear back from you. Apologies, I was not able to converse with you, got busy with work and speaking assignments.

Yes, I included you in my email list of 'Jesus: Creator or creation', because I thought it will be relevant to what we had discussed previously, and also, since I was comparing and contrasting Quranic and Biblical verses, I thought you would be interested.

Now regarding your view that religions should adapt or perish, I would say that you are partially correct. It is true for almost all faiths except Islam. Islam is not a man made religion which should keep on changing its rules and regulations each decade or century. Islam is the guidance provided by God to humanity. As such, God, our creator knows that His guidance will be relevant and beneficial for humanity, now and till the end of time. Thus, there is no need for Islam to adapt to the world, it is the other way around. It is the world which should adapt and accept Islam for its success or it will perish in its immorality, racial hatred, drugs, family break-down, guns and violence, suicides, rapes etc.

Islam provides solutions to the above mentioned perils of the society and likewise provides the most complete guidance, covering all aspects of a society and persons life, namely, Social, family, financial, educational, legal, political, spiritual etc. Thus, with is supreme guidance for the society, it is in the best interest of the society to ADAPT to Islam for its success.

Thank, Peace and Regards, Sabeel Ahmed

Call 1-877-WHY-ISLAM for a FREE copy of a Quran Translation in English


----- Original Message ---- From: "kenwear@mycobbweb.com"
To: sabeel ahmed
Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2007 6:59:00 PM
Subject: Re: Response to "Jesus: Creator or Creation"

[Balance deleted since it is the e-mail first above and inclusion would be a duplication.]


To Sabeel Ahmed from Ken Wear 4-07-2007

Thank you for your response. While I am grateful for your forthrightness, it was with great sadness that I read your message. When I compare records of the life of the Prophet and his teachings, as recorded in history, with your unflinching and uncompromising statement that no adaptation of Islam is possible, I see no possibility but a wrenching confrontation until either (1) all religions except Islam disappear from among men or (2) Islam disappears from among men. Whatever the future holds, I hope it can be accomplished by gentle persuasion rather than subversion or force.

I heartily endorse your mission to improve relations between faiths and question my conclusion that you support fundamentalists, such as bin Laden, who is, after all, simply continuing the Prophet's program to seek dominance [or submission, since one is tantamount to the other]. If moderate men cannot compromise, peaceful co-existence is not possible and the stage is set for a conflict that must of necessity result in utter destruction of one or the other. Perhaps for the good of humanity and Earth that should happen. But I prefer fostering understanding and cooperation between the various religious faiths; to my mind that requires good will and compromise by all.

Should you chance to visit my web site, you will find there a presentation of Rational Theism, an alternate understanding of deity and His role, which I feel must ultimately prevail in order to coalesce reason with religion. Islam, Christianity, Theism, Buddhism, Confucianism, Hinduism, . . .? Is there truly only one path to the fulfillment we all seek? Must all be wrong except the one?

From Ken Wear. Visit his web site at http://www.rationallink.org

[Balance deleted since it would duplicate what appears above.]


Should you have any question about the consequence of the success of the Muslim religion dominating public policy, think "Taliban" and recall the wide publicity given to the 2007 case of a man who wished to convert from the Muslim religion: He was sentenced to death for his exercise of conscience. He was allowed to escape Afghanistan to avoid the penalty, but the severity imposed for this exercise of conscience should not escape your attention. Nor should the fact that the court, in imposing the sentence, was simply following the dictates of their state religion, Islam.

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